RichardE Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Good afternoon, Can you help me please. We are building a garage at present and want to use a wired alarm (we normally use the Pyronix euro mini) but we also want a remote wireless key fob that uses the 433mhz frequency so that we can add this new alarm onto the existing key fob that controls the auto gates, outside lights and the garage door. The Pyronix KEYFOB-WE is on the 868mhz frequency as are most of the main manufacturers key fobs. Is there either a good company making a wired system with a 433mhz fob available or a 433mhz wireless alarm expander/key fob that can be added to a Pyronix alarm? (I’m aware that the 433mhz frequency may not be quite as secure but this is a garage and it will not have a Ferrari in it.) Any help will be appreciated. Thank you, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secware_Tech6 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 the frequency isnt the only thing to be concerned about. They also use their own protocol so a visonic 868 peripheral wont work on a pyronix etc. Assuming you want to use the same fob to open the garage doors and also control the alarm your going to need something with flexibility and RF options. Nothing a euro mini is capable of. I would recommend using the alarm to control the door rather than the door control the alarm due to the security aspect. ie you read about 'people' driving round with 433 transmitters to see if any doors open etc. That cant happen with an alarm fob Id look at either app control, if a registered installer the HKC can do this with either keyfob or app. If not then id look at honeywell dimension or vanderbilt spc Or put a keypad on the euro mini in the garage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardE Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 Thank you very much for clearing that up. We will keep the alarm key fob separate on your above advice. Can the UR2-WE Two-way Wireless Universal Receiver and the KEYFOB-WE two-way wireless keyfob be utilised on a euro mini? If not then please recommend the appropriate (ideally wired) control panel. Thank you, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secware_Tech6 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 WHat you want is a hybrid panel. That will take the rf keyfobs for arming with correct security etc. But also take the wired detection https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/intruder-alarm-c-36/security-control-panels-c-36_102/1124-input-zone-medium-c-36_102_103/honeywell-flex-20-panel-only-p-5458.html Keypad of choice depending of prox or not https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/intruder-alarm-c-36/security-control-panels-c-36_102/control-panels-all-c-36_102_41/microtech-galaxy-mk7-lcd-keypad-p-700.html needs an rf portal https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/intruder-alarm-c-36/intruder-alarm-ancillaries-c-36_46/honeywell-galaxy-flex-direct-mount-rf-portal-p-2497.html then a keyfob etc https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/intruder-alarm-c-36/intruder-alarm-ancillaries-c-36_46/honeywell-4button-keyfob-black-p-3607.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secware_Tech6 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 33 minutes ago, RichardE said: Can the UR2-WE Two-way Wireless Universal Receiver and the KEYFOB-WE two-way wireless keyfob be utilised on a euro mini? no its not capable of wireless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardE Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 Thank you. We do require prox key pad and it has to work with https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/intruder-alarm-c-36/intruder-alarm-ancillaries-c-36_46/ade-honeywell-easy-set-fobs-tags-5pk-p-2097.html as we have many alarms that already use that type of fob/tag, can you kindly confirm that the galaxy works with that? Also it appears that the Galaxy key pad with prox is £168.41. That is top money for a key pad (we need 2!) Do you have any alternative suggestions? Perhaps a control panel that is setup already with a remote key fob (incidentally we only require the following to be wired, 2 pir sensors, 2 key pads, an internal sounder and an exterior bell box, if that helps?). Must be able to use the above style prox key fob/tag. Thank you, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secware_Tech6 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, RichardE said: We do require prox key pad and it has to work with https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/intruder-alarm-c-36/intruder-alarm-ancillaries-c-36_46/ade-honeywell-easy-set-fobs-tags-5pk-p-2097.html as we have many alarms that already use that type of fob/tag, can you kindly confirm that the galaxy works with that? no they are for the easyset only the galaxy fobs are https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/intruder-alarm-c-36/intruder-alarm-ancillaries-c-36_46/honeywell-galaxy-ask-keyprox-proximity-fob-p-1460.html 4 minutes ago, RichardE said: Also it appears that the Galaxy key pad with prox is £168.41. That is top money for a key pad (we need 2!) a keyprox keypad (mk7 is the cheaper one) is https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/intruder-alarm-c-36/security-control-panels-c-36_102/control-panels-all-c-36_102_41/microtech-galaxy-mk7-keyprox-lcd-keypad-p-699.html and is currently £93.98 5 minutes ago, RichardE said: Do you have any alternative suggestions? Perhaps a control panel that is setup already with a remote key fob (incidentally we only require the following to be wired, 2 pir sensors, 2 key pads, an internal sounder and an exterior bell box, if that helps?). Must be able to use the above style prox key fob/tag. the flex gives you some programming flexability but maybe a kit overkill. The issue you have is wanting hybrid it puts you into a different range of product. https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/intruder-alarm-c-36/security-control-panels-c-36_102/1124-input-zone-medium-c-36_102_103/honeywell-galaxy-flex-20-uk-panel-mk7-keyprox-p-3972.html might be a lower cost way of getting a panel and keypad. The panels with built in rf recievers are mainly wireless only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardE Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 Thank you for your help but as stated we very much want to use the more universal prox key tag that the euro minis etc use (we have more than 30 alarms that already use that key tag). That being the case I want to use the Pyronix Enforcer as it uses that key tag and comes with a wireless remote key fob, this panel (whilst mainly set up for wireless) has 2 wired inputs that we could use for 2 PIR sensors we require. I have 3 last questions; 1. Am I correct that there are 2 wired key pad inputs so that we could use a pair of https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/intruder-alarm-c-36/security-control-panels-c-36_102/lcd-remote-keypads-c-36_102_107/castle-care-tech-euro-lcd-rkp-built-in-prox-reader-p-2910.html 2. Is there a wired output for a bell box? https://www.bentleysecurity.com/product/classical-sounder/ is our preference. 3. If we wanted to add a further sensor or door contact can we use this https://www.pyronix.com/uk/products/euro-zem8-2 if not please let us know which product does this. Your assistance is very much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secware_Tech6 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 37 minutes ago, RichardE said: 1. Am I correct that there are 2 wired key pad inputs so that we could use a pair of https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/intruder-alarm-c-36/security-control-panels-c-36_102/lcd-remote-keypads-c-36_102_107/castle-care-tech-euro-lcd-rkp-built-in-prox-reader-p-2910.html Yes 38 minutes ago, RichardE said: 2. Is there a wired output for a bell box? https://www.bentleysecurity.com/product/classical-sounder/ is our preference. yes but you need an input for the tamper 40 minutes ago, RichardE said: If we wanted to add a further sensor or door contact can we use this https://www.pyronix.com/uk/products/euro-zem8-2 if not please let us know which product does this. yes you need a wired zem that will sit on the data bus Id have to check but you need the I/O board in the enforcer to expose these connections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardE Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 Thank you very much. Just to clarify On 4/24/2020 at 2:52 PM, Secware_Tech6 said: yes but you need an input for the tamper Can you tell me how we get an input for the tamper? On 4/24/2020 at 2:52 PM, Secware_Tech6 said: d have to check but you need the I/O board in the enforcer to expose these connections Are you suggesting that we will require a wired zem to “expose these connections”? Can Security Warehouse supply all of these items? Please kindly confirm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secware_Tech6 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 no there is an IO board not sure if its included in all the kits, but it has the 2 inputs you want. However you going to use one of them for the SABT so you cant connect 2 PIR's and a SAB was my point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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